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    The Biggest Road Bike Tech Flops Of All Time | GCN Tech Show Ep. 99


    (metallic whooshing) – Welcome to the GCN Tech Show – This week we've got an action-packed show

    We've got new bikes, secret tech Hang on, what is the secret tech? – Shh, you'll find out – Okay We've also got the Bike Vault, your upgrades, and a whole heap more – Yeah, and our main talking point this week, the biggest bike tech flops of all time

    – I'm very excited for this one – Yeah, me too (upbeat electronic music) (metallic whooshing) – This week we're talking biggest tech flops that road cycling has seen We do love innovation though and anyone who attempts it – Yeah, and it's important to point out that it's easy to criticize with hindsight, isn't it? And we're not looking to sort of arrogantly assert that we're wiser than the people that came up with these inventions

    It's just interesting to retrospectively look at them and why they failed But, I've come up with some, you've come up with some of your own as well, so, well, you can go first – All right then, first up, Campagnolo Delta brakes Yeah, now, beautiful to look at Not so beautiful to set up or even use on your bicycle

    An aerodynamic-looking brake made up of aluminum Beautiful underneath the cover Inside of there, it's like a Swiss watch or something Loads of double parallelogram-style system in the front, I think, and in the rear, it was even more complex And I actually took one apart once upon a time, which was an absolute nightmare, but you needed a 3

    5 millimeter Allen key for the cable, like the grub screw for the cable, and you had to cut the cable really short, and just the whole setup of them was an absolute nightmare They didn't stop you either, unless you set them up perfectly, which for most home mechanics, they just couldn't do – Yeah, incredibly intricate system I think that's ultimately the failing of that design But, well, I visited Campagnolo HQ a few years ago, and I saw, I was quite amazed, they had a room that was full of brand new, untouched boxes of these brakes, in their original packaging

    – That's the place of dreams – Yeah, I know I was like, get 'em on eBay! I mean, don't know if you're aware, but these brakes, they're so cool, and they're so desirable, even though they're not the most practical, they go for a fortune on eBay these days – I was lucky enough, the pair that I own, I bought brand new, in a box, for about £50 I mean, that was in the mid '90s

    – I've seen them go for over a grand – Really? – On eBay, yeah – Time to get 'em off that bike then (laughing) Get 'em on eBay I'll put a link down in the description below

    – Right, my turn, Jon – Go on then – I've got a good one SpeedX bikes – Oh yeah

    – Do you remember them? – Yeah, I do, yeah – [Ollie] So if you don't remember SpeedX, it was a Chinese startup company that launched, well, the self-proclaimed world's first fully-integrated smart bike – Right, when I think smart bike, just going off on a tangent just quickly, I always think about a self-riding bike, you know, like a smart car, or- – I think Smarties like your hydro dipping – Oh, yes – [Producer] Can you turn it around, Jon? – Yeah, yeah, no problem, mate

    There we go, turning it around Still looks good, doesn't it? – [Producer] Let's see the back – The back? Yeah, sure – Well it's none of those things It was called the SpeedX Leopard

    It was an aero bike, it had lots of promises behind it, and it was launched off the back of several big crowd funding campaigns Loads of money, loads of hype, and it just, well, fundamentally couldn't deliver on what it was claiming So it was going to be super aero, super light, super integrated Have this sort of fully smart integrated sensors and computer built into it – It actually looked all right

    I thought that looked quite good in the stem The stem looked quite good with that computer – It did look cool, but once the first bikes got delivered to the press and people reviewed them, it was found to fall drastically short of the sort of expected quality of what it should have been What SpeedX was offering seemed too good to be true, and it turned out that it was A lot of the customers complained that the product was of poor quality, and some customers didn't even get their bikes at all

    Our friends over at CyclingTips actually wrote a very thorough and in-depth article about it that's worth a read if you're interested and want to know more – Yeah, I remember actually seeing that, and I did feel that it was a couple of, I think, Aussie or Kiwi sort of up-and-coming riders who were kind of given a little bit of cash and they thought they were doing a promotion video for SpeedX and it turned out they were sort of pretending to be engineers (chuckling) I laugh now, but sort of watching it, you see the guy, he feels really guilty about it, and, you know, you just can't do that to a consumer at the end of the day Madness Here's another one then, neoprene bottle covers

    Harking back to the early '90s, where in a bargain bin at the local bike shop, I found some for a pound each So, they weren't necessarily actually neoprene, but you used to get these thermal jackets that were made almost like out of foam They were absolutely terrible but they were the only things that we could get back in the day Anyway, these neoprene bottles, or these thermal bottle covers, they covered your water bottle that you would fill with a warm beverage of some sort, to try and keep you warm during those winter rides They didn't work for two reasons

    Firstly, the subbing around the top of it, well, stitching, sorry, was so tight, you had to hold it open, or try to, while someone else tried to shove the bottle inside and, of course, you would have put boiling water in that bottle, so the bottle became all flimsy and flexible It was destined to fail, and they didn't work, even when you got the bottle inside of it I remember being out on a ride in New Forest and the bottle still turned to almost like a slush puppy, so it didn't serve a purpose whatsoever and it promptly went in the bin Sadly, I don't have an example to show you – Well, they're still used, Jon

    – What? – Yeah, my Aussie mate Nugget, he uses it to keep his frothy cool in the Outback – Right, that whole statement I don't understand You've got a mate called Nugget and he's got a frothy cool in the Outback (Ollie laughing) I have no, honestly – Look, don't worry

    It's another one for GCN Tech After Dark – Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to that – My turn, then Magnesium bikes, like that Kirk Precision that you did a video on Well then, yeah, you've seen seen magnesium bikes, yeah

    – Yeah, it didn't flop, that one I think they just crumbled and broke – You've got a good fact though about magnesium – I do, yeah So a cubic meter of seawater contains 1

    3 kilograms of magnesium – Astounding – It is – Absolutely astounding – Magnesium is also one of the lightest elements there and it's the lightest metal that you could use

    – Well, pretty much it is, yeah, that's correct Well, lithium rapidly oxidizes in air quite violently, and beryllium is, well, fantastically poisonous, so you can't use beryllium But one of our favorite places, Jon, not only that, one of our favorite places is actually full of magnesium – Go on – Well, the Dolomites, Alta Badia

    – [Jon] I thought you were going to say the Safe (chuckle) – Well, Alta Badia in Italy, the rocks that make up that area and the characteristic of the mountains are actually largely composed of calcium magnesium carbonate – Correct – AKA Dolomite – (exhaling) Geo-chemistry? – Yeah, on it

    – We're gettin' there – Magnesium is very strong, it's very light, and it's also very abundant in the Earth's crust But its downside is that it's significantly more reactive than aluminum, titanium and, well, carbon fiber It's actually so reactive that it's one of the few metals that will burn in nitrogen, which I learned at chemistry school Anyhow, this reactivity means that it can corrode fairly easily, making it not ideal for bike parts and stuff, but it also burns pretty easily as well

    It's used in fireworks and sparklers and things like that There's even instances where it was used in wheels for motor sport and it's been banned in some instances because the braking temperatures cause it to catch fire – Yeah, there was actually a rumor years ago that the Kirk Precision factory, which I think was in Essex in the UK, exploded due to some magnesium particles floating around inside when they were casting these frames I don't know how true that is because it has a fairly high ignition temperature, I think, magnesium I mean, you would know this

    – The auto-ignition temperature of magnesium, I think off the top of my head is about 470, 473 degrees Celsius – Don't look at me – So that is feasible, I mean, especially in the braking But carbon fiber's better for making bikes, next – Of course, Allite and their recent developments may have solved issues that previous magnesium frames had

    We will be keeping a close eye on exactly what they're up to Right, final one then, because we could go on and on, Recon Jet smart glasses, like Google Glasses but for cycling So in June 2017, Recon Instruments, they announced that by the end of the year, all their products would be discontinued But it begs the question why did they fail? – Yeah, I mean, it's interesting, this one The idea is a sound one

    The fact that you can cycle along and have all your metrics in front of you and you're not having to look down at a head unit and use a heads-up display, it's a good idea But the execution in this instance wasn't quite there – [Jon] It was poor – Yeah, so it wasn't a true heads-up display that's transparent, like a fighter pilot would have It was a little screen that was on the side of your face and then people complained that it obscured their peripheral vision when they're cycling along, which was a bit disconcerting

    And also people complained about software bugs, lags in GPS, and just other shortcomings with the product They were also quite heavy to wear on your face – They were really heavy, actually I remember putting a pair on and, like you said, peripheral vision was for us in the UK pretty much a nightmare 'cause if you looked over your right-hand shoulder, which is generally what we do, that's where this thing was, so you had to pay extra special attention – Yeah, I mean, the reason why they were also a massive flop is the fact that they had huge investment from tech giants behind them, from Motorola and also Intel

    Intel invested $4,000,000 into this product and got, well, nothing from it Imagine what you could do with $4,000,000, Jon – I could do a hell of a lot with $4,000,000 but that's probably something I wouldn't have made But when I did work in another part of the industry, we actually played around, toyed around with the idea of having a heads-up display inside of a time trial visor – I would buy that

    – It was actually basically a stripped-down version of a tiny little mini-projector and everything was taken away from it, all of the packaging and all the plastic-edged casing, the fan, everything, you didn't need it, and it was put inside of a helmet But, again, it weighed a fair amount – But if you could encase it in a time trial helmet, that would be really cool And also it solves the problem of not having to look down at your computer, keeps you safer, but also you can keep your head crucially in an aero position, can't you, by just looking forward and you've got your speed and your power there (stammering) I think that'd be cool, if someone can do it and make it work

    – Well, we were pretty close It was quite cool, it was like a fiber optic cable thing that had all the display there and stuff and it was just programmed to just show you what you wanted to see – But anyhow, this has been just a mere selection of some of the biggest flops in cycling tech So you know what to do Let us know in the comments section down below any that you can think of and that you particularly like

    – Yeah, I reckon next week we'll read a few out 'cause this lot'll have way more Get involved (metallic whooshing) Last week on the Tech Show, we spoke about the technological arms war, or arms race, which is happening ahead of Tokyo 2020 and, well, some new bits of information or products have come out from the folks at Bastion Advanced Engineering and Design, because they've been working together with Cycling Australia to produce some custom 3D-printed titanium parts for bikes It's exciting times, it is – Yeah, well I also heard that the Australians have been doing research with university academics about the optimum cadence for aerodynamics

    – Really? – Yeah, the arms race is hotting up – Okay, right, there's a couple of things here Firstly, physiological capability and also your physiological makeup – Don't shoot the messenger, don't shoot the messenger – Right then, so a couple of things which they're using, actually these three different products

    Firstly, there is different stems, so they can 3D-print titanium stems to your exact specifications, I think up to 160 mil in length, which is a pretty big whopper there, as well as 17 degree minus, plus, whatever You really can just be direct-mount onto those Argon 18 frames Some new handlebars, these are cool, aren't they, these Madison handlebars Basically you can ride like you're on the hoods but in a more relaxed position If you try and do that on a normal round bar on the track, you end up being a little bit tense, so it's nice, that

    And finally some cranks, from 160 up to 180 mil length So, again, made out of titanium Interesting, maybe they could use that for their interesting cadence studies – Colnago has a new gravel bike just out as well – [Jon] Has it had one before or not? – No, it's Colnago's first gravel bike

    It's designed to sit alongside the Colnago Prestige, which their well-established cyclocross bike The geometry has been changed so that it's more endurance-and gravel friendly, so you've got longer stays, lower bottom bracket, more stable geometry, that kind of thing – Sounds pretty familiar, that, doesn't it? – Looks good though, doesn't it? – It does, actually I'm impressed with that Does look like a nice-looking bike

    – But there's only build available at the moment, which has got Shimano GRX on it – Pretty cool – And that's available for £4,300, or about $5,500 US – Yeah, I've got to say that is a little bit steep, isn't it, really, for the first one Also news from our friends at Fizik

    They've launched the Tempo Powerstrap R5 in a reflective version Now that's a cool shoe anyway, but with that reflective one, well, it's ideal for this time of year – Riding in low light, they're amazing, almost too bright, them – I was really impressed with the ones they did, the Giro d'Italia special one this year, with the pink sort of detailing on it? Nice little touch, that And finally, actually some news now from Canyon because they have an announcement to make and I'm going to bring in the laptop so we get it absolutely spot-on

    Don't want to make any mistakes or anything Ollie, over to you, mate, on the official wording – Canyon are now claiming that their bikes are safe to use on turbo trainers In the past, they wouldn't say if they were or were not "The approved bikes are all Aeroad, Ultimate, "Endurace, Grail, Inflite, Speedmax, and Exceed models "from model year 2019 and newer

    "There are only two conditions: "the trainer must clamp to the bike's rear axle, "and the required accessories "supplied by the trainer's manufacture "(such as special axles) must be used" There you go – There we are Right, well more tech next week (buzzing) – [Announcer] Cha ching! – It's now time for Screw Riding Upgrades, Buy Upgrades, where you submit evidence of the upgrades you've made to your cycling lives

    – Yeah, and we need befores and afters because there's a lot of people at the moment who're just sending in pictures going, "well I've changed all of this" How do we know? I mean, we're very trusting – We need evidence, we need good evidence, we need strong evidence that's going to stand up in court – I don't know about in court, but I like where you're going with that But anyway, small wins, Ollie

    What do they win? – They win the ultimate prize – What's that? – A GCN cap – You love them – Yeah, I do – See you rocking around the streets in 'em

    – And also all the time – But how do they get to submit their befores and afters? – Well, Jon, they don't use the uploader Do not use the uploader They uploader is dead! We use the GCN app, which is available to download in the App Store, although I'm told that it's not available in Switzerland yet – And I think on Android in Germany as well it's not

    But don't worry, we are working on things – It's coming – Hold your horses – It's great to see that so many people are keen on that, absolutely champing at the bit But first up then, we need to announce last week's winner

    It was between Ben and, well, it was between Ben and Greg but we dismissed Greg and we said it was between Ben and Greg's daughter, 'cause that's who owns the bike, so unlucky Greg, and your daughter too, because the winner was Ben though – [Ollie] Yeah, so get in touch with us on Facebook to arrange delivery of that little cap Onto this week's contenders then because, actually Ollie, do you want to say it, contenders ready, in the voice of John Anderson from Gladiators? – (in heavy Scottish accent) Contenders ready! – Okay, right, first up is Hew from Cardiff – On my first whistle – All right, blimey, it's like we're in Fash the Bash in here as well, isn't it? That's a really lost joke on probably 99% of the audience out there

    Right, okay, first up is Hew from Cardiff Now, Hew was inspired by GCN and after about six months' work, finished his gravel bike project Six months, blimey! – (high pitched squealing) Take a look at him, he's ripping him I did it in two weeks (laughing) – No, that six months might've been a shock, like wow, that was quick

    I'm not going to give it (laughing) Hew, good work, right, okay, anyway So Hew turned an old and abused 26"-wheeled mountain bike into a gravel bike Original bike was in a very sorry state The forks are completely seized, the paint was flaking, the bottom bracket and pedal bearings were completely destroyed, and the drivetrain was all rusty

    We don't like rusty, do we? – No – Bust the rust However some parts were of good quality and could be salvaged, including the wheels, seatpost, stem, frame, and cranks Hew stripped and sanded all of the paint off the frame to leave the aluminum, or aluminum, raw and then heavily polished it Carbon forks were bought for the bike but Hew also stripped the paint off the cranks and polished them to match

    He went with one-by 38-tooth chainring, a nine-speed 11-32 cassette, Sora STI and Deore long-cage rear mech with no compatibility issues, so that's good news for everyone out there, and here is the end result There it is – Oh, look at that I mean, that was a sorry frame Look at that

    – Tell you what, you've used some of the old patented elbow grease to get rid of that and it looks good Is that a GCN? No, it's not a GCN bottle, Hew, disappointed – I think it is – No, it's not And where's that, is that Cardiff Bay? No, that's more like towards past Swansea, that, I think

    It could be Milford Haven Once did a crit there in the rain Absolutely chucked it down – Got his sort of bike packing set-up– – He said he left all this on to show it in its genuine state – [Ollie] (stammering) It's not a Bike Vault, that's good

    – [Jon] Yeah, yeah, I like that – [Ollie] That's good, that – Very, very good submission, that, Hew, and well done, mate All right, great submission there All right, so (stammering) who is Hew up against this week? – Well, Hew is up against Hannes from Pfrungen in Süd Deutschland

    – I don't know why we put ourselves through, everyone through this, but yeah, Hannes from Pfrungen in South Germany – I think it's Hannes – Okay, Hannes, okay – Anyway, he loves cycling and woodworking And why shouldn't he combine both those hobbies, cycling and a road bike made from ash? – [Jon] The wood, yeah

    – Wood It wasn't expensive The wood and the epoxy cost £100, but 180 hours of work – That is some serious time, isn't it? – Yeah, so to this bike, he hollowed the wood, saved a bit of weight – Saved an awful lot of weight

    – Yeah, but 29 kilo in a size 54 frame, it's pretty heavy though, isn't it? – Heavy weight – Yeah and he put SRAM Apex one-by on it, Fizik Antares saddle, nice bits those The fork from Hannes' father, or Vater, Vater's friend, Freund – Vater's friend? – Mein Vater's Freund

    And (chuckling) cost his dad just some beers after their training rides – [Jon] Incredible, swapping beers for bike parts Lloydy'd be good at that – Now the bike weighs exactly 10 kilograms and apparently it's a very smooth ride And he's going to cook the fork steerer when he has time

    He hasn't had time yet – [Jon] Blimey, look at that! He's a bit better than your GCSE woodwork project – [Ollie] Yes, well, no, it is – What did you do, what did you make? – I can't, actually I made, oh, I'll tell you another time It's for After Dark, that

    – I made a spare wheel carrier for my roof Anyway, this is about Hannes's bike, or Hannes's bike It's a beauty, that is – [Ollie] Look at that – [Jon] I mean, the finished item is an absolute beauty

    – [Ollie] It is It reminds me of Giant TCR – Look at the integrated seatpost! Hannes, I don't know, I imagine that'd be a cool pro bike too, wouldn't it? – Yeah, it would – Of course, you'll have to win, otherwise you're probably going to let some– – Well, it's not down to us, isn't it? – No, Hew or Hannes – [Ollie] You can vote in the uploader, can't you? – [Jon] Yeah, yeah you can vote in the uploader or in the app

    – Yeah, not the uploader, the uploader's dead – Yeah, what are you talking about? – I'm sorry – Right, next week we will announce the winner, Hew or Hannes, or Hannes – Hannes (metallic whooshing) – Right, it's now time for the Bike Vault and we love it, don't we? – Oh, yeah

    – So you lot at home, right, you use the app on your smart phone and you upload pictures, videos, whatever of your bikes and we get to rate them nice or super nice And when they get rated super nice, the bell gets rung, which is great because we do like a good old bell ring, don't we? – Yeah, we do, yeah Also if you disagree with our ringing of the bell and our assessment if something's super nice or nice, then don't worry, 'cause you can actually vote in the app and have the People's verdict, the People's say – This could backfire on us badly, Ollie – It could do, but anyway, first up– – (laughing) First up, we've got Dean from Wales

    It's not Dean Saunders, the famous footballer It's a Trek Cronos CX Ultimate bike but you can't really see that because it's– – [Ollie] That could be anything – [Jon] Yeah, it could be absolutely anything – [Ollie] It could be anything – It's covered, that's, I mean this is a brave submission

    Dean, (stammering) you're incredibly brave to submit such a filthy bike into the Bike Vault, something I wouldn't condone – (stammering) I'm also slightly concerned about Dean's cycling shorts as well I feel that should probably be pixilated for whoever edits the show this week (laughing) Oh god – It's a nice bike

    At least you front wheel was clean You obviously used your front wheel, or front brake, for 90% of the braking A nice bike I think, Ollie – Yeah, it's nice though – Okay, good

    – Next up, we've got– – Is it TomHolm11? TomHolm11, we've got no idea where you're from – Yeah, we've still got his Trek Madone This a video submission I'm all for more video submissions I think we should have more

    Have a look at this video – I like the horses – Yeah, he's trying to take the perfect picture of his bike It's a beautiful Trek Madone – Oh, hang on, he's got a light on him

    (both laughing raucously) Should we watch that one again? So TomHolm, don't know where you're from, I don't really, but you can see, I reckon the horse doesn't like there's a flashing light underneath this saddle – [Ollie] He's trying to eat it – It's flashing in its gob and then watch this (both laughing) Rear mech hanger, gone Rear mech, gone

    – Unfortunately, it wouldn't have got in the Bike Vault anyway because he's not taking the picture square on, the crank arm is in the wrong position there, and he's not gone for biggie-smalls either Tire's not lined up Yeah, I mean, nice – So TomHolm obviously took this– – Also, I don't think he knew he was in video mode I think he thought he was in picture

    (laughing) – Sort of thing my dad does, sends me a WhatsApp and it's meant to be a photo and it's actually a video – Good, nice – Yeah, right, who've we got next there, mate? – We've got MBates form an unknown, undisclosed location with his Ridley Fenix SL – Secretive It's a clean-looking bike, that, isn't it? – I wonder if he's a secret agent

    – Yes, MBates, don't know – [Ollie] I like his KMC chain that's not a gold chain but it's like the two-tone thing – [Jon] Is it the 11 DLC? They call it something else – [Ollie] It's very clean, I like it – That looks brand new, actually

    – I mean, he's ticking all of the boxes – Nearly – The crank arm's slightly not quite right A little bit of steerer – [Jon] Like 15 mil of steerer, rather than the sort of regulated five

    – [Ollie] Yeah, but I mean– – [Jon] Valves, not at six o'clock, they're at 12 o'clock, which is, again, acceptable – [Ollie] Yeah, well he's got the logos though I like what he's done with the logos of these DT Swiss wheels Ah, that's super nice, I think – [Jon] Yeah, I think it is a super nice bike, yeah

    Skin of your teeth (bell clanging) Right, NPlus1 These usernames are getting weirder and weirder, aren't they? – Yeah, is that your real name? – Yeah, don't know where you're from, again Anwyay, titanium Moots bike, Enve wheels, yeah Is that Ultegra R8000? One of those ISM saddles, one of the split saddles

    Beast in the background, interesting Is it in Germany, I presume, judging by the signs? – [Ollie] Yes, yes – [Jon] What are we thinking, Ollie? – Eh, that's a nice – Cranks not lined up, saddle far too back – [Ollie] The wheels are filthy

    We might not've if you had gone in for that – [Jon] Nice bike – [Ollie] We cannot let any old riff raff in – [Jon] No, and the final one this week comes in from ErikR in Rotterdam That's an interesting looking OG-Evkin bike

    – Unbelievable – What? – Well, that appears to be the Erasmusbrug, Jon – Oh yeah, you're quite into your bridges? – I can bike, well– – Bridge wood – A combined cable-stayed and bascule bridge in the center of Rotterdam connecting the north and south parts of the city, completed in 1996, 802 meter-long bridge, the second largest in the Netherlands It was named, actually, after Erasmus of Rotterdam, a prominent Renaissance Christian and humanist no less

    – How do you know all these things? – I know a lot of things, Jon, my friend – You do – It was designed by Ben van Berkel It was completed in 1996 at significant cost I believe it was the region of €150,000,000

    Significant sum The cable-stayed bridge section actually has a single 139-meter high asymmetrical pale blue pylon with a prominent horizontal base, earning the bridge its nickname– – [Jon] Go on – The Swan – Oh, what a lovely nickname! – Also many of you will no doubt recognize the bridge as being the backdrop in pivotal scenes in the Jackie Chan film Who Am I It was also used in the 2010 and 2015 Tours de France

    – Well, there's only one thing for it, Ollie The Swan is a super nice – [Ollie] Super nice bridge (bell clanging) More Bike Vault next week Right, before we head off then, let's go through some of the comments underneath last week's Tech, shall we, because, well, there's some crackers as ever

    Firstly, Ian Snyder, who says, "Ollie should ride around with that 3D printed face "on the back of his head" Why? – Yeah, I don't understand why (laughing) Okay – Should you also dress backwards? – CF O'Sullivan says, "I want the bust of Oliver Bridgewood "and I'm willing to pay anywhere up and including "11 British pounds and 70 pence "PM me for exchange "and I'll get the money order lined up

    " – Ooh, we should do that – Yeah, cool, yeah – Yeah, call him Right, Simon_says, "Package from BELLgium," of course, 'cause the bell arrived back from Belgium after Ollie left it there when he was doing the Bike Vault Special – I see what you're doing

    – Who's next then? – "A free GCN water bottle "for the person who 3D prints a toilet "for Oli's figurines to sit on!" from jfdavenport Yeah, I like that, yeah – And finally– – They have 3D-printed me in a compromising position – Yeah, someone else said it was you running (laughing) The weirdest running pose ever

    Finally, Ollie Tee, "Is the postman Tom Last?" Well that would be telling, wouldn't it? – It's another one for GCN Tech After Dark – Yeah, we can't reveal who the postman was – Thanks for all your comments We really enjoy reading them and going through them And if you'd like to support the channel and what we do, then, well, it's easy

    Subscribe, click the bell icon if you haven't already, it really does help And also ahead of Black Friday, we've got some cool stuff happening in the shop tomorrow We know tomorrow isn't Black Friday, we know that, but there's some cool stuff going to be appearing in the shop, so if you want to grab yourself a bargain, head over tomorrow – I'll have to head on over You've got me all intrigued

    Right, so if you want to watch two more great videos, click on Ollie and, well, click on me, I suppose Until next week, cheerio

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