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Should You Buy A Rim Or Disc Brake Road Bike Next? | GCN Tech Show Ep. 76

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– Welcome to the GCN Tech Show He's back and well, we've got new bikes, hubs, rims, and even some prototype tires

– And our main talking point this week, you're going to love this, right? – Go on – The next bike you buy, should it be rim brake or disc brake? – I don't know why you do this, but it's going to be fun – Can of worms – Oh, yes (upbeat music) – It's now time for our main talking point, and this week we're discussing a very divisive issue

One that has split the nation, divided families, broken friendships apart, which bike should you buy next, a rim brake bike or a disc brake bike? Now, we get asked this a lot so we've decided to address it – Yeah I mean, a few shows back, we did have a vote, which looks better, rim brakes or disc brake bikes? And the results were pretty conclusive, I've forgot what you rigged them at but it was about 79% in favor of disc brake bikes – [Ollie] I have to say, I agree with that I think they do look better

– [Jon] Yeah, I think I'm kind of inclined to agree that on modern bikes, disc brakes can look really good – Yeah But, this isn't about what they look like, this is about all-round performance and day to day living And there are advantages and disadvantages to both systems so what we're going to do it weigh them up and then go from there And then you can decide depending on the riding that you do and where you like to ride, what works best for you

– The weight Typically, a rim brake bike is going to be about half a kilo lighter than it's equivalent with disc a brake bike and well, sometimes, even more than that – Yeah, this may or may not matter to you, but if you race up hills, then it could be significant And also, the lighter the rider, the greater proportion of the overall percentage of mass the bike represents, so lighter riders stand to gain more from a lighter bike – Yeah

And I'm sure that disc brake bikes will get to the same sort of weight as a rim brake bike as technology advances, become more and more, you know, thought out, but right now, it's not there – Yeah – Which is probably one of the reasons, actually, why we don't see Grand Tour contenders using disc brakes – Yeah – Because they want to make the most of what they can when it comes to going uphill

– Yeah, and it's still difficult to build a UCI limit, 68 kilogram bike, with hydraulic disc brakes – Yeah – Especially an aero one So, next up is comfort

Now, this doesn't apply to all bikes and models but sometimes, the disc brake specific model of a certain bike can, you know, be harsher to ride, more stiff, and less comfortable than the rim brake version and this often happens when you've had a bike that was originally designed as a rim brake bike and then it was subsequently retrofitted with discs to become a disc brake bike and wasn't designed from the ground up as having disc brakes – Yeah – Then, it's kind of like, because you've got the added reinforcement to cope with the increased brake strain and torsional strain from the caliper from the disc brakes, and also through axles in there, it can just make it bit stiffer and harsher and less comfortable to ride – Yeah, actually, I really agree with you on that The first generation of disc brake road bikes were quite often real boneshakers to ride, weren't they? Just because of that, you know, there wasn't the thought-out processes of the design refinements of it, the specific frame

Which brings us onto handling And well, with the added weight of a disc brake bike, sometimes they can feel a little bit sluggish, can't they? To accelerate when you get out the saddle And then, combined with, generally, they tend to have slightly longer chains today, not all of them, but most of them do Gives you a longer trail, longer wheel base, that kind of thing so it's not quite the sort of brakes-y feeling, almost, is it? – [Ollie] Yeah, but– – Takes a bit of getting used to, I guess, that's what I'm trying to say – Yeah, it can be, but, you know, it's something that not all bike manufacturers have, as well, so some do have the same geometry now, so it's things that are changing

And also, the flip side to them being sort of stiffer, as well, can be an advantage So, for example, you know, if you're a powerful rider, like Chris Opie, he, you know, loves sprinting He would go for a disc brake bike everyday of the week because he, the stiffness from the through axles really stands out to him and he loves it – Yeah, he even said, actually, earlier on in the office, he would like to have a rim brake bike with through axles, didn't he? He said, "Imagine how cool that would be" – Well, yeah, you'd like to try it out, yeah

– Yeah Don't fancy going on one of them – Braking performance There is no doubt about it, if you want superior braking performance, discs are the way to go Particularly if you live in mountainous areas or very wet areas, for sure

– Yeah, I don't dispute that at all I have consistently descended faster, both in the wet and, crucially, the dry on disc bakes Undoubtedly, they're better, but when I'm, you know, riding my bike and I'm descending, I'm not being paid to race and most of my descending I do is on open road with traffic coming the other way, so, consequently, I don't like pushing it on descents to the point where I need disc brakes on that limit, I prefer to sort of just take my time and enjoy it And if, you know, I'm riding with friends and I'm racing my mates, I prefer to race them up the climb where the lighter bike will give me the edge and then just take it easy on the descent And especially if it's wet, as well, I'm just back right off

I'm not going to take any risks – Yeah, definitely not Do you know what? I never take risks anymore in the hills, at all And it's really worth pointing out, as well, when I've been riding on a disc brake bike for quite some time, you get so used to how late you can actually brake With anything, really, that you're faced with, you know, out on your ride, then when you swap over to a rim brake bike, it's surprising how much further you have to start thinking about those actions

You know, you can catch yourself off guard And it's like why cyclocross riders, you know, at first, they were very slow to sort of embrace the disc brake culture before realizing, actually, they could race into the corners, and like, literally through them rather than scrubbing off a bit of speed and going round at sort of quite a leisurely sort of pace, it's really changed those styles of races – Right, next up is traveling Now, I travel a lot with bikes, not just on GCN adventures but my own adventures, too – He's like Pee Wee Herman, the Big Adventure

– Yeah, well, it's why I'm never here, on the Tech Show – Yeah – That's why But, in all this experience of traveling with bikes, without any shadow of a doubt, when it comes to packing bikes into cars or into bike boxes, rim brake, it's easier You don't have to worry about, you know, slightly bending of knocking your rotors in transit

– Nope – Which can then cause them to catch Often, I have to remove the rotors in transit to stop them catching, but that just adds more time on and it's another thing to do And you also don't have to worry about your calipers closing on rim brakes, you know, when you pull the lever – Yeah, that's true, yeah

– When there's no rotor in there, and then you end having to prise them apart in a car park at the other end – [Jon] Yeah, well, worse still is that pistons actually pop out of the caliper – [Ollie] Yeah – That's not pretty And I've got to say, actually, that this is probably the one thing, whenever I speak to any pro mechanics, and I say, "Oh, how you getting on with your disc brakes?" They always say, you know, fine, generally

The only problem for them is the travel, particularly with air travel, they say they always have to bleed them at the other end and that is just another job which they have to add on to, well, the longest day of any person working in the bike team, isn't it? – Yeah And I think that sort of follows on with maintenance, as well – Yes – So, I mean, in my experience of maintaining brake systems and I'm sure you'll agree with this – Well, don't say that yet

– Well, rim is easier You're changing a cable, like just a simple brake cable and a housing or just some brake pads on a rim brake – [Jon] Yeah – Is a quicker job that having to bleed a brake – Oh, yeah, undoubtedly, yeah

It's less stuff you have to carry with you I mean, it's not, you know, the small, little things, like day to day bits, like brake pads is just as quick but for a full system setup, yeah, it's much longer – Yeah – I mean, I don't do it as much as a mountain bike mechanic would say, but yeah, it's definitely a lot quicker on a rim brake – But, there are some advantages to disc brakes

So, I find that the service interval, if you will, between having to, you know, bleed the brake system compared to having to change a cable, I find it lasts much longer on a disc brake system if it's set up properly – Yeah – But, when you do have to do that job, it's a bigger job – Yeah, they're also less influenced by outside characteristics, you know, really bad weather and things like that With rim brakes, a standard Bowden cable, that soon becomes really sort of messed up, doesn't it? From grit and grime and everything whereas, well, it's a completely sealed system on disc brakes

– Yep – So, you've got that major advantage – Yeah, and another big advantage is rim wear – Oh, yeah – You don't get rim wear on a disc brake bike

– No – Like, disc brake wheels, you don't have to worry about your rims wearing down if you ride them in dirty, wet roads which is potentially a big advantage over a rim brake bike – Yeah, too right, yeah – Especially if you've got fancy rims and you want to ride them in bad conditions – Yeah, all year round, and make everyone else jealous

Do you know what? That's one thing, actually, I'm really jealous about when I see someone in really bad weather and you're out, I put like, you know, some old training wheels in a bike and I ride with someone with disc brakes and they're on a pair of really bling wheels, I'm like, "You are so luck today" – Usually me – Yeah, it is, yeah When he's out traveling Right, decision time, then Ollie

– Yeah – What are you going to get on your next bike? – You know what? I've got a couple of disc brake bikes at the moment so I think I'm going to get a rim one so I've got both bases covered I think that's, yeah – Yeah, yeah, but, if you had to make the choice, take away those two disc brake bikes that you've got and you've got to just choose one, you can just equal it out – Oh, it's tough

I'd quite like to have a go at some hill climbs in September – Heard it here first – Might have a go – Okay – But, so, a rim brake bike being lighter would be good for that

– Yeah – I've got a few set of rim brake wheels lying around as well, that would become redundant if I just had disc brake bikes, so it'd be nice to make use of those and I think also just where I'm at right now in terms of the riding that I'm doing and where I ride, a rim brake bike just suits me a little bit better But, I have to say, if I did live somewhere where there were steep climbs and technical descents and you know, it rained quite a bit like north Yorkshire or the Lake District, then without doubt, I'd go disc – Yeah – Without a doubt

– Yeah, I've got to agree with you on that Also, I mean, any kind of off road riding, yeah, disc brake's the way forward, forget, like, rim brakes on that because it's just, these days, I can't believe how, well, bad those brakes were, actually You know, V brakes, cantilever brakes, caliper brakes if you're really old, then I've got to agree with you, as well It is all dependent of the terrain, the weather and everything You know, back when I was living in Belgium, Belgium winter, there is no way I got to use rim brakes just purely because of the number of brake pads I was getting through, and that's even on pancake flat roads

But, in the summertime, rim brakes were absolutely fine, so, I mean, it is really horses for courses, isn't it? But it's a tough decision to make – This is the thing, right? It's a unique problem depending on you, where you ride, you know, the kind of riding that you do, and there are advantages and disadvantages to both – Yeah Not that quite straight forward, is it? What did the viewers vote for, though? – Yeah, we did a poll on social media to see what you think – We did

– Well, overwhelmingly, most of you would choose to buy a disc brake bike next – Is that right? – [Ollie] 66%, so – [Jon] That's amazing – [Ollie] It's a lot, yeah – [Jon] Yeah, like we did on the last poll, if we'd asked that a year to, a year or two before, the results, I feel, would've been totally different

– Yeah We'd love to know your thoughts and comments on this, though so let us know in the comment section down there what you think about – It's going to get heated I don't know why we do this to ourselves – Yeah, but it's interesting

I tell you what – Yeah? – I wonder how the rim brake extinction clock's doing? – It's still there, isn't it? Not long to go, now Right, last week, well, Chris and I, we showed you our first bike so we asked you to share us photos of our first bikes I've got to say, it's such a special moment, isn't it? And, well, just here's some of our favorites – Yeah

– Let's have a look at them Right, who's first up, mate? – Rajesh from B Cuttack There he is – [Jon] Yeah, on his little bike there – On his bike, looks like he's in his back garden

– [Jon] That's cool, isn't it? – [Ollie] Yeah, I know – [Jon] Can't quite see the face but I bet there's a big smile behind that left arm – [Ollie] Yeah – [Jon] I bet there's a big smile – [Ollie] Yeah

– [Jon] Not sure that's the best way to get onto the bike, but – I think, he's not sat on a saddle, he's sat on, like, the rack – The rack, yeah It's like a long rider, like a low long rider, cool Next one, Daniel in his backyard, Ann Arbor, Michigan, USA

I think this one, well, from 1953, or 1954, that is so, that's like Pee Wee Herman on his big adventure – [Ollie] That's really cool, isn't it? – [Jon] Yeah, it's like the little wry smile, looking into the sun – [Ollie] I love the big tires on that bike, as well – Yeah It's like a proper cruiser bike, isn't it? – [Ollie] Yeah, that's a cool bike

– [Jon] It's nice, that I like the bricks in the background, all the stonework – Yeah, well, bit of dry stone wall, it looks like there – Yeah, yeah – Nice

– Who's next? – Next up, we've Tom, Ashtabula, from Ohiho And there he is, I mean, he's not very old there – [Jon] No, I reckon that's probably from like the same era looking at the bagginess of the trousers – [Ollie] Yeah, and a trike – [Jon] Yeah, nice little trike there

– [Ollie] You don't see many trikes these days – [Jon] No, no, I think children these days are not blessed with tricycles It's like a mini penny-farthing with an extra wheel – [Ollie] You get, yeah, yeah, it's sort of like balance bikes have taken over a bit where we used to have trikes And that's really cool, yeah, with the pedals on the front wheel

– [Jon] Yeah, just, you know, it's, have you ever seen competitive tricycle races? – No – The time trials? Yeah, it is a thing I've even seen tandem trikes, as well Maybe we could get you on one of them Right, next is– – That's pretty good

– Ted from San Anselmo, California Probably said that all wrong Look at that little smile on Ted's face, again – I know He's delighted, isn't he? – [Jon] He is, yeah

– [Ollie] Pure delight – [Jon] I mean, that's from the 50's, it's got to be, have they got any brakes on that bike? Must be a pedal back brake But, a big smile, turned up trousers Those trousers probably lasted Ted about five years, the length of them – [Ollie] They probably did

– [Jon] Enough about his fashion, but that's almost the same bike as the one of Daniel – [Ollie] Is it, yeah – [Jon] Yeah Do you know what? I absolutely love this because– – [Ollie] It's a cracker, isn't it? – [Jon] The proud moment – [Ollie] It's awesome just seeing how bikes have changed, as well, looking back at the old bikes

– Yeah – Next up, we've got Marcus from Banning, California, US of A – Everyone in America speaks the same – They do, don't they? It's weird – Yeah

– I do actually ring them all up before we do the show and just check – Just to check with Marcus – That that's how he talks – From Banning – That's exactly how he talks

– So, when you get that person, that double glazing salesman, that's actually Oliver Bridgewood Keeping you on the phone – Yeah, well – Oh, there he is – There he is

– Anyway, Marcus – [Ollie] Look at that He's got a friend, as well – Yeah Loving, well, sort of, admiringly looking down on the bike

– Yeah, that's a look of jealousy, isn't it? From the more mature gentleman in the photo, looking down at the– – Yeah – [Jon] Actually, he's probably looking down thinking, "Well, Marcus, your quick release skewer "on the front wheel is on the wrong side" – [Ollie] Yeah – [Jon] Only joking, Marcus, I love that picture I think it's just, you're so chuffed with it and the other fellow is just like, "That's a bike

" – Yeah – That is a bike – It's like a still film Breaking Away If you've not seen Breaking Away – Watch it

– Watch it now Watch it after the show – Yeah, yeah, not now I've got one of you, actually, Ollie – What? – Yeah, I've got one of you

Look, there you are This is Ollie, aged six, and his Raleigh Mustang – Oh, dear, oh, dear – An exquisite track suit top, too Look, he hasn't changed one bit

Well, slightly – [Ollie] No, I don't have that tracksuit anymore – [Jon] Yeah, you've still got the same haircut – [Ollie] I tell you what, I love that bike – [Jon] Tell us about the bike

Look at the tracksuit top – [Ollie] That's a great tracksuit, isn't it? I loved that bike, do you know what? I was ahead of the times, there That's SixSpeed, one-by, one-by Look at those tan sidewall tires I mean, that was basically a modern gravel bike before gravel bikes were invented

– [Jon] Yeah – [Ollie] A trendsetter – Yeah, you look like Eddie the Eagle there It's great Right

– There you go You can't unsee that now – All right, new tech now Firstly, French wheel specialist, Mavic, have just launched some new rims and hubs First up though, the hubs

The MR801, they've had a complete and utter redesign from anything from Mavic previously and there's actually fewer moving parts inside Importantly, while there's only one spring inside of the freehub mechanism, which it is opposed to the standard two that they had in there and then there's even a noise reduction rubber which, well, for those of you who've had some Mavic wheels out there in the past, sometimes they can scream a little bit Basically, the freehub has got like a top hat washer design and it just catch a bit of a screech So, that's a welcomed addition – Yeah, they look really tidy, though, those new wheels

– Yeah – So, there's two versions There's the OpenPros which are 25 millimeters deeps in rim brake and 32 millimeters deep in disc brake version And then, there's the CXP Pro Carbons which are 40 millimeters deep in the rim brake, 45 in the disc brake and the other cool thing, right? All of them, UST tubeless ready – Oh, that's great, isn't it? Oh, I just love a really shallow section carbon wheel, there's something about them

– Yeah – Reminds me of Campag high prongs or Zipp 202s, that sort of thing – Yeah, I love my 202s – Good work, Mavic Staying with wheels, and although they're not on a bicycle, it is important to say that Michelin who actually were on of the first companies to make a bicycle tire have released a prototype of a tire in conjunction with general motors

Uptis, the unique, puncture proof tire system – [Ollie] Yeah, well, it's a prototype at the moment, it's been created using 3D printing and it eliminates punctures and blowouts Pretty cool – Yep, very cool – [Ollie] I mean, it begs the question, will we see this kind of technology appear on bicycle tires? – Yeah

– At some point I mean, we've had solid tires in the past but this is completely different to that I mean, the ride quality on solid tires is no where near as good as a normal, sort of, pneumatic tire and the rolling resistance is much higher so it'll be interesting to see what the rolling resistance is like on these tires but you can see they're clearly directional – Yeah – In terms of, like, construction at the graphic

– Yeah, you won't wouldn't want to fit those on the wrong way round because if you did, I guess they would, well, just collapse They'll just sag, like, at all times – Yeah, interesting – Yeah, but anyway, keep your eyes peeled for that one Couple of new bikes now

First up, Factor Bikes, they've got a new frame and it's called the VAM and it's being developed after three years of data findings and well, it's essentially very much a regeneration of the O2 which was out there but it's lighter and well, a bike still needs to be nice and stiff, too And they reckon they've don't it, but how? – Well, they've optimized the structural design, meaning that they've not overused material anywhere where it's not needed and they've also got an improved molding process which, well, has greater compaction and uses higher pressures which eliminates excess resin in the carbon layer, as well And the result is a sub 700 gram frame – That is for a disc brake frame, too, which is pretty impressive and before you ask, yep, it comes in a rim brake version, too Everybody's happy, you happy? – Yeah

– I'm happy – I want both, though – There's no pleasing some people – Yeah, anyway, finally, the State Bicycle Company who are, well, famed for their fixed seat and single speed bikes have released their flirts road bike with gears It's the 4130 Road

4130, referring to the specific type of, well, steel that the bike is made from Look at that, that's really smart, isn't it? I just love how minimalistic it is – Yeah – And retro it looks – Yeah

Now, this bike is action packed and, you know, full of tech, you're not going to expect that, really, from a company who've specialized in fixed seat and single speeds, really, are you? No, they're going down that minimalistic route, so we've got a single chainring on the front, just a 44 tooth and then it's paired up with an 11 to 28 eight speed set on the rear and controlled with just a single downtube shifter – Nice – It looks really good, that – That's smart – Yeah, nice work

– It's now time for screw riding upgrades buy upgrades where you submit before, after models, pictures, sculptures, videos, animations of your upgrades that you've done to your bikes or kit for the chance to win the ultimate prize What can they win, Jon? – They can win a GCN Camelbak water bottle Take it with you on your travels, you won't spill a drop What's not to like about that? – Yeah, I wasn't here last week, what did we have last week? – Oh, right, well, we have David and his Rossin and we had Hamish and his giant Cadex that he found on a rubbish dump, basically I thought it was going to be really, really close thought out affair but sadly, David beat the giant

– [Ollie] Goliath – Yeah, exactly, I didn't want to go down that cheesy caption because I know you love a cheesy caption but anyway, David, get in touch with us, mate, 79% of the votes, get in touch with us on Facebook – That's a landslide – It is, yeah, landslide beat the landfill found bike By the way, that was a rubbish little bit

Who've we got this week Ollie? – This week, we've got Chris from Seattle Now, Chris has his Meander 710 Now, that's a southern accent but I rang up Chris and checked, he is actually from the south – Oh, great – He emigrated to the north west

– The north area Yep – Of America – I just like Seattle Seahawks, American football, myself – No way

– Yep – Frasier, that's there, isn't it? – Yep – Anyway, and Pearl Jam Now, 2005, Chris was burnt out from training and racing and he sold his bikes and in 2014, after almost a decade out of the scene, the urge returned to Chris, that's good to hear, Chris – Yeah, welcome back to the crew

– And he began looking for a re-entry bike And the agenda was something cheap that he wouldn't have to worry about so he had this 84 Meister 710 on Craiglist for $200 He bought it, right? – Nice – It had the original mix of components except for the odd choice of some old Campag bits on it and a weird, weird saddle So, Chris decided it was time to take this lovely but sad looking beige bike and liven it up

– Oh, I like the sound of this – Have a look at this, right? What do you think? – All right, so – There we go Mavic OpenPro rims, Ultegra hubs, new Selle Italia Turbo saddle, bit or florescent sparkle neon green, deep purple Look at that

– There it is, the old beige thing There it is, all stripped of it's bits and built up Tell you what, that looks good, doesn't it? Not normally a fan of brown bar tape and saddles, but – I know, but it works doesn't it? – But it pops, doesn't it, that? – It does It's very smart

– Yeah – I like that green – Yeah, I was going to say, you don't see may green bikes, do you? – Yeah, that's, I like that – Nice work, Chris Right, okay

Chris, though, faces Simon from Quebec in Canada – Eh – What? – That's what they say Chris faces Simon from Quebec in Canada – Eh

He'll get it – Oh, right, okay Right, when first getting into cycling, Simon's father gave him his 40 year old Peugeot 10 speed bike Simon wasn't a fan of reaching down to reach the shift levers and decided to modernize the bike Simon bought an old Campagnolo Mirage groupset on eBay, after stripping the old frame for what felt like an eternity, he could finally paint it and apply the brand new decals

– Decals – Decals, whatever Simon had to machine to mounts out of aluminum for the new brakes and welded a mount for the front derailleur, too So, let's have a little look, there's the old center pull Peugeot brakes Probably Wyman, but just rebrand just Peugeot

– They're almost as good as the brakes on Peugeot cars – Steady Right, so, there's the old, look at how cracked the sidewalls are on those old tires Head badge, love a head badge Oh, nut attached, oh, right, let's go down then

– Very rusty chain – Yeah It's got very big tri bars on the front there, but anyway, this is all pre revamp, or pre upgrade I tell you what, that is a great bit of machining that they've done on that front brake caliper Isn't it? – That is a proper restoration job that, isn't it? – And sprayed, I like those decals

– Decals – They are good, I mean – That is – It's a beauty, isn't it? – That's a great restoration job – Yeah, and it's the fact, you know, one, he's put a triple chain set on there and wouldn't have been that easy to just make a mount specific for that frame and that front mech

– Do you know, it's tough this week, isn't it? – Yeah – There's two excellent submissions – Yeah – Really good – I mean, that's someone who, a lot of people, they would just put some deep drop calipers on there and be like, "I'm done with it

" – [Ollie] He's got that Delta brake, oh, no, that's not Delta brakes – No, Simon from Quebec, no, it's not Detlas – It said Mirage, weren't it? – Wash your mouth out – I saw it, I saw it, yeah Oh, that's good

– Who's it going to be though, Chris or Simon? Simon or Chris? Where are they going to vote? – I've forgotten – Outside – Not been in – Right – Right, we need to announce the winner of last week's special segment of Bike of the Week where it was between two Giro d'Italia classification winning bikes and it was the pink jersey bike of Richard Carapaz

– [Ollie] You forgot his name – [Jon] Yeah, I did, yeah Total and utter blur And the 50, 50 bike of Pascal Ackermann who, of course, won the point jersey at the Giro And the winner was Pascal Ackermann

There we are – Oh, yeah, that – [Jon] Yeah, yeah, more than 50% of the votes – [Ollie] Yeah – Yeah, 50, 50

Do you like Lemar? That song, 50/50 – Who? – No one No one Right, now time for the part of the show, The Bike Vault, where we rate your bikes either nice or super nice so if you've got a picture of your bike in an absolutely beautiful location, please do submit it using the uploader tool found in the description below and don't forget, please, to include your location Not just my back garden, my backyard, my house, what happens, Ollie, when they get rated super nice? – Well, yeah, they're either nice or super nice but if it's super nice, we ring the bell and the bell gets rung

– Gets rung – And then they go in the vault – Yeah – This week, Jon will be ringing the bell – I will, yeah

Right, so, who is first of the agenda this week? – This week, first up, we have got Marc with a C from Salisbury in the UK There's his Peugeot with, oh, look at that – [Jon] That is one of the 753 bikes Renault 753 tubes, I'm sure of it That is a beauty

– [Ollie] That is a, that is brilliant – [Jon] Yeah, that's early 90's – Bit of, a little bit of– – It is 753, definitely, it's on the top tube – A little bit of modern and retro combined, there – [Jon] Go on

– [Ollie] With the Elite Bico Carbon bottle cage – [Jon] Yeah, as well as the carbon cranks, carbon rear mech, carbon fork – [Ollie] Yeah – [Jon] Campagnolo Zonda wheels, oh There were, like, basically– – [Ollie] They're your favorites, aren't they? – [Jon] No, Shamals are

Basically, if you couldn't afford the Shamals, you had the Zondas or the Vento on the, and I think there's another one but he's got the Cinelli Intergralter handlebars there – [Ollie] We've talked about those before – [Jon] Yeah Yeah, you used to be able to put a picture on the top, it's got a modern saddle, I mean, comfort is key That, it's a beauty, isn't it? – That's a cracker, isn't it? – Yeah

Well, he's getting a ring Nice one, Marc in Salisbury – Right, who's next? – Next up – Is Dion in the Mourne Mountains, Northern Ireland Apparently, this is where the Game of Thrones is filmed but I wouldn't know, I don't watch that

Do you watch that? Game of Thrones? – I have watched Game of Thrones before and this is his Venom minus 06 – I've never watched it Not interested in Dungeons and Dragons – Right – Right

– SRAM Force on there, Vision wheels, what do you reckon, Jon? – [Jon] Go back up, let's have a look Does look like a nice place, that – [Ollie] Yeah – [Jon] I don't know, really, the angle a bit, is a bit, the back wheel looks small – [Ollie] Yeah, I think you do need to get them square on, don't you? It always looks better, it always presents it in the best light, square on

– [Jon] You've got to go 45 or maybe 30 degrees, or 90, head on, or flat on – [Ollie] Yeah I mean, it's a nice one – It's a nice bike, though, isn't it, that? – [Ollie] Yeah – [Jon] You know, there's no extra being chucked on there

You know, it doesn't look like you've ram-raided a bike shop with your bike covered in super glue Does it? – [Ollie] Yep – [Jon] There's nothing worse than that, is there? – [Ollie] I mean, he's removed the appendages, as well Always like to see that – Yeah

– [Ollie] You know, saddle bag on there, that's always going to earn you a few points and he's not got excess steerer – [Jon] Nope – [Ollie] Enough there, so, you know he's– – Getting there, he's getting there Oh, for me, personally, it's just got be a little bit more – Right, that's a nice

– Nice Okay, next up, we've got John from Mooloolaba on the Sunshine Coast in Australia – Mooloolaba? – Mooloolaba I know how to say that, I've been there, the Sunshine Coast, absolutely love it, John, invite my out to stay, my friend Love it there

– Wowzers – [Jon] I rented a swan pedalo there – [Ollie] I've not seen a bike like that before – [Jon] Yeah, it's a Carrera custom, apparently It's a beauty, isn't it? It's got one of those internal wedge seat posts

– [Ollie] Yeah, that saddle is very minimalistic, isn't it? – Yeah Oh, it's a cool bike – [Ollie] That is a cool bike, isn't it? And he's shot with great depth of fields – [Jon] I was just going to say, I knew you were going to come out with– – [Ollie] Great depth of fields – [Jon] Practical photographer monthly magazine, quite

– [Ollie] You know, he's done a good, good job there – [Jon] I like the Gulf racing-style colors, although, the blue is not quite Gulf, is it? – [Ollie] No – [Jon] But, it's almost there Vittorio tires, it looks like some of the old Corsa CXs, I think – [Ollie] I'm a bit interested, I don't know what those wheels are, I don't recognize those, I'm interested to know what they are

– [Jon] The back one, at first glance, looks like a LightWeight, doesn't it? Time Xpresso pedals – oh, they're lightweight, aren't they? – Very light, yeah Xpresso 8s on there, right – Don't know what volumes are there – [Ollie] I like that he's color matched his stems

– [Jon] Yeah, and the, oh, well, everything on it is color matched, isn't it? In a way – I think that's a super nice – Yeah, we'll give it a ring John, don't forget, flight tickets and all that for Mooloolaba All right

– Right – Who's up next? – I'm not going to be able– – Petyr, it's Petyr – Is it Petyr? – Yeah, Petyr from– – Petyr from Warsaw in Poland and he's at the local pump track on his way to work in a very snowy scene – [Jon] Yeah – [Ollie] It says it's Boardman Hybrid Team 2014 and it's a roadie conversion

So, a flat bar to road bike conversion – [Jon] That's done really well, isn't it? – [Ollie] That is a cracker – [Jon] You know, I would never know it was a conversion Would you? – No, no Bonus points, as well

– Go on – GCN water bottle popping out – [Jon] You can get past Ollie – [Ollie] Good one – [Jon] You can try and sneak anything past him

– [Ollie] Great work – Yeah – Great work – [Jon] They're gravel bars, aren't they? Look at the flare on those – [Ollie] Yeah

– [Jon] Just look at that lever angle Again, good depth of field – [Ollie] Excellent depth of field For me, it's super nice – [Jon] Yeah, super nice, definitely, mate

That's a really nice looking bike – [Ollie] It's cool – [Jon] Oh, God, brings back memories, going to Warsaw in the snow, it was absolutely freezing – [Ollie] It's just proper functional, that bike, isn't it? – Yeah, it's great – [Ollie] It's wicked

– [Jon] Yeah, love it Is it like a chrome-style paint? Or not? – [Ollie] Yeah – [Jon] I've got a feeling they were, weren't they? – Yeah, yeah – Yeah? Right Ring of the bell, and who's the final one this week? – David at the Denver City Park Criterium

– Yep Yeah, maybe, that's David, I'm pretty sure he actually hand built that frame himself Culbertson frame, 001, made out of Columbus SL tubes Looks like Record, definitely Record hubs– – [Ollie] I'll tell you, that water bottle is intriguing me, it looks like he's got a bottle of Persil washing detergent tied to his bike – Once again, Ollie, those who know, know

That is the Campagnolo, I think it was called the Bio Aerodynamica Water Bottle Heavily used by, actually, back in the early 2000s, I've got a feeling that Armstrong rode a time trial in the Tour de France with one of those on and then ultimately, it lead to the development by Elite and Gatorade, all these people and tax to start making that shape bottle again – [Ollie] Cool – [Jon] An interesting bit of bike trivia, there – [Ollie] Yeah, and, well

– [Jon] Really interesting – [Ollie] Good for the Daz Doorstep Challenge, as well – [Jon] Great depth of field, once again, some strong depth of field this week – [Ollie] Look, in the background, that is a race happening – [Jon] There's actually a race happening

– [Ollie] That isn't some, like, cool artwork – [Jon] That is going the extra mile, isn't it? – Yeah – [Jon] To get the blurry cyclists in the background – [Ollie] Yeah – Action shot

– Yeah – Great – But, the right frame, the shutter speed, is that correct? – Yes – Shutter speed to actually be able to capture it and we can tell, look there's a Canyon on the right, I reckon – Yeah

– It looks like a Canyon logo Don't know – Brilliant – [Jon] Yeah, that is a, that's a fantastic – Oh, a Regal saddle

Probably one of the most comfortable saddles I've ever used in my life – [Ollie] That's just, that there, brilliant – [Jon] You like that, don't you? And you're not a big retro bike fan, are you? – [Ollie] I'd ride that – [Jon] There we are, David Sent it on over to Mister Bridgewood

– [Ollie] Yeah, I'll take it off your hands – Yep – Thanks, David That's a super nice for me – Yep, super nice for me

Remember, use that uploader tool, get involved We love looking through these, they're great It's still ringing David, that was a super, super nice Right, it's nearly time for the end of the show but guess what? We have got a brand new channel launching, oh, yes

Ollie, tell them what it is – Get this right, we are launching GCN Japan – [Jon] Oh, yes It's going to be big in Japan – [Ollie] Like Alphaville

– [Jon] Yeah, and well, I am so excited for this because I have spent some time with the guys and they know their stuff, all right, don't they? – [Ollie] Yeah, cool bunch of guys that are launching that channel – Yeah, we absolutely love them Right, but before we go, let's actually go through some of our favorite comments underneath last week's show Ollie, bring it in, who've we got? – Official Rollout, he said, Hobbit needs to be a recurring character – Yeah, Spencer Lemon says, trashing on your family all over YouTube, where's the opportunity for Hobbit to tell his side of the story? Hashtag, just for Hobbit

Now, in case you forgot, Hobbit is a cousin of mine who borrowed my first bike, or first competitive racing bike and launched it into a lake and I do believe left it there, although, last week I did ask him and he denied it – Justice for Hobbit – Yeah, he's all over my Instagram right now – Presta Chuck said, you guys gave that Dean softail monstrosity a super nice but that beautiful Trek Madone at the beginning was only a nice What have you been smoking at the back shop room? – Well, we don't smoke

– No – No So, there we go – I only smoke when I'm on fire, Presta Chuck – That sounds like Alan Partridge

Right, our final one was Red Ronin, Chris has standards for super nice? What is this baloney? And I've got to agree – Yeah – I've got to agree, Chris Opie, what we're you thinking there? There is no standards for super nice, we just do I randomly, don't we? – Yeah, no idea – But, well, stay tuned on the channel this week because we've got a whole heap of more great content coming up, haven't we, Sherlock? – Yeah, we do, so please like and subscribe and I will see you next week – And if you want to watch two more great videos, how about clicking over here to see Ollie's detective work in action and if you want to make internal rooting a little bit easier, how about clicking just down here?

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