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IN 2017 WAS NOT A STATE OF THE UNION ADDRESS UNION ADDRESS

NONE OF THEM ARE WHEN YOU GIVE NONE OF THEM ARE WHEN YOU GIVE THEM IN THE FIRST YEAR IN THEM IN THE FIRST YEAR IN OFFICE OFFICE JOINING ME NOW IS KARA SWISHER, JOINING ME NOW IS KARA SWISHER, THE EXECUTIVE EDITOR OF THE THE EXECUTIVE EDITOR OF THE TECHNOLOGY NEWS WEBSITE TECHNOLOGY NEWS WEBSITE LET’S START WITH THE PRESIDENT’S LET’S START WITH THE PRESIDENT’S ACCUSATION AND THEN GO TO ACCUSATION AND THEN GO TO SOMETHING THAT HE’S TOUCHING ON SOMETHING THAT HE’S TOUCHING ON THAT IS RELEVANT TO THIS THAT IS RELEVANT TO THIS CONVERSATION

CONVERSATION OBVIOUSLY HE’S GOING AFTER OBVIOUSLY HE’S GOING AFTER GOOGLE GOOGLE IT’S ALL PART — STEVE BANNON IT’S ALL PART — STEVE BANNON RANTED ABOUT THIS A LONG TIME RANTED ABOUT THIS A LONG TIME AGO AGO

>> AND HE DID A BUNCH LAST WEEK >> AND HE DID A BUNCH LAST WEEK AND HE’S DONE IT TO AMAZON, AND HE’S DONE IT TO AMAZON, "WASHINGTON POST" — "WASHINGTON POST" — >> THAT’S RIGHT >> THAT’S RIGHT PART OF IT IS MAYBE HE DOESN’T PART OF IT IS MAYBE HE DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THE TECH WORLD UNDERSTAND THE TECH WORLD >> NO

>> NO >> I THINK THAT’S A BIG PART OF >> I THINK THAT’S A BIG PART OF IT IT BUT THE OTHER PART OF IT JUST BUT THE OTHER PART OF IT JUST FEELS IRONIC FEELS IRONIC

IS HE SAYING THAT YOU GUYS MUST IS HE SAYING THAT YOU GUYS MUST STINK BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO STINK BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO MANIPULATE YOUR SYSTEM AND LOOK MANIPULATE YOUR SYSTEM AND LOOK WHAT I DID? WHAT I DID? I DON’T MEAN TO BE THAT CYNICAL I DON’T MEAN TO BE THAT CYNICAL >> YEAH, YEAH >> YEAH, YEAH >> IS THERE ANY BASIS TO HIS >> IS THERE ANY BASIS TO HIS ATTACK? ATTACK? >> NO, NONE WHATSOEVER, AND I’M >> NO, NONE WHATSOEVER, AND I’M NOT ONE TO DEFEND THE TECH NOT ONE TO DEFEND THE TECH INDUSTRY

INDUSTRY I’M VERY INTERESTED IN THESE I’M VERY INTERESTED IN THESE HEARINGS NEXT WEEK AND SOME OF HEARINGS NEXT WEEK AND SOME OF THE PROBLEMS THEY HAD WITH THE PROBLEMS THEY HAD WITH CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA AND THINGS CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA AND THINGS LIKE THAT LIKE THAT IN THIS CASE HE’S COMPLETELY IN THIS CASE HE’S COMPLETELY WRONG AND DOESN’T KNOW WHAT HE’S WRONG AND DOESN’T KNOW WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT TALKING ABOUT

>> I WANT TO GO TO THAT STATE OF >> I WANT TO GO TO THAT STATE OF THE UNION ATTACK BECAUSE THIS IS THE UNION ATTACK BECAUSE THIS IS THE PROBLEM THAT’S HAPPENING ON THE PROBLEM THAT’S HAPPENING ON SOCIAL MEDIA SOCIAL MEDIA THE IRONY IS AND IT’S BASICALLY THE IRONY IS AND IT’S BASICALLY TWITTER HAS ALLOWED THIS TO TWITTER HAS ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN HAPPEN THEIR PLATFORM HAS BEEN USED FOR THEIR PLATFORM HAS BEEN USED FOR THIS, WHICH IS — AND IT’S BEEN THIS, WHICH IS — AND IT’S BEEN REGULARLY DONE, MATT GAETZ HAS REGULARLY DONE, MATT GAETZ HAS DONE THIS, KEVIN McCARTHY HAS DONE THIS, KEVIN McCARTHY HAS DONE THIS

DONE THIS THEY RETWEET THIS AND SAY THIS THEY RETWEET THIS AND SAY THIS IS HOW THEY’RE BIASED AGAINST IS HOW THEY’RE BIASED AGAINST CONSERVATIVES, BUT THEY TURN OUT CONSERVATIVES, BUT THEY TURN OUT TO BE FAKE ACCUSATION, ALL THESE TO BE FAKE ACCUSATION, ALL THESE FAKE ACCUSATIONS, BUT IT GETS FAKE ACCUSATIONS, BUT IT GETS 32,000 RETWEETS OR 50,000 LIKES 32,000 RETWEETS OR 50,000 LIKES SO PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE IT SO PEOPLE STILL BELIEVE IT >> I WROTE A COLUMN IN "THE NEW >> I WROTE A COLUMN IN "THE NEW YORK TIMES" SAYING THAT WAS COD YORK TIMES" SAYING THAT WAS COD SWALLOW SWALLOW

CONSERVATIVE VOICES ARE VERY CONSERVATIVE VOICES ARE VERY LOUD ON SOCIAL MEDIA, SO ARE LOUD ON SOCIAL MEDIA, SO ARE LIBERAL VOICES, SO ARE CRAZY LIBERAL VOICES, SO ARE CRAZY VOICES, SO ARE COMEDIANS, SO IS VOICES, SO ARE COMEDIANS, SO IS EVERYONE EVERYONE THIS PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE THIS PARTICULAR GROUP OF PEOPLE HAS BEEN ADVANTAGED BY IT HAS BEEN ADVANTAGED BY IT BECAUSE THEY WERE LARGELY LEFT BECAUSE THEY WERE LARGELY LEFT OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA OUT OF THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA UNTIL FOX NEWS CAME ALONG UNTIL FOX NEWS CAME ALONG NOW THEY HAVE ALL THESE NOW THEY HAVE ALL THESE PLATFORMS TO DISCUSS THINGS ON

PLATFORMS TO DISCUSS THINGS ON THERE’S BEEN AN ONLINE RAGEFEST THERE’S BEEN AN ONLINE RAGEFEST AMONG THEM THAT THEY ARE NOT AMONG THEM THAT THEY ARE NOT HEARD HEARD THE LINE I USE IS THE PEOPLE THE LINE I USE IS THE PEOPLE THAT TALK LOUDEST ABOUT NOT THAT TALK LOUDEST ABOUT NOT BEING HEARD NEVER SHUT UP BEING HEARD NEVER SHUT UP

DONALD TRUMP USES TWITTER QUITE DONALD TRUMP USES TWITTER QUITE A BIT A BIT >> ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE >> ONE OF THE THINGS IS WE STARTED BELIEVING MAYBE WE ARE STARTED BELIEVING MAYBE WE ARE BIASED BIASED WE CAN’T LOOK BIASED

WE CAN’T LOOK BIASED SO WE CREATED A LOT OF FALSE SO WE CREATED A LOT OF FALSE EQUIVALENCY ISSUES EQUIVALENCY ISSUES IT LOOKS LIKE SILICON VALLEY IS IT LOOKS LIKE SILICON VALLEY IS ABOUT TO FALL INTO THAT TRAP ABOUT TO FALL INTO THAT TRAP

>> BY IGNORING IT COMPLETELY >> BY IGNORING IT COMPLETELY LOOK AT WHAT JEFF BEZOS IS LOOK AT WHAT JEFF BEZOS IS DOING DOING HE JUST DOESN’T SAY A WORD

HE JUST DOESN’T SAY A WORD I THINK GOOGLE HAS TO JUST SAY I THINK GOOGLE HAS TO JUST SAY THIS IS NOT TRUE AND MOVE ALONG THIS IS NOT TRUE AND MOVE ALONG AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND STUFF LIKE THAT OBVIOUSLY, AGAIN, THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY, AGAIN, THERE ARE ISSUES THAT ALL THESE COMPANIES ISSUES THAT ALL THESE COMPANIES SHOULD FACE OF THINGS THEY HAVE SHOULD FACE OF THINGS THEY HAVE DONE, BUT NOT THIS ONE DONE, BUT NOT THIS ONE

>> BUT I WANT TO GET INTO AN >> BUT I WANT TO GET INTO AN ISSUE THAT I THOUGHT STEVE ISSUE THAT I THOUGHT STEVE BANNON ADDRESSED — HE RANTINGED BANNON ADDRESSED — HE RANTINGED THE END BUT HE TOUCHED ON THE END BUT HE TOUCHED ON SOMETHING I’VE GOTTEN INTO SOMETHING I’VE GOTTEN INTO WHO’S GOING TO REGULATE THE WHO’S GOING TO REGULATE THE ALGORITHMS? ALGORITHMS? AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY’RE AT THE END OF THE DAY THEY’RE NOT WRONG, NONE OF US KNOW WHAT NOT WRONG, NONE OF US KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE THEY HAVE THEY HAVE ALL OF OUR THEY HAVE ALL OF OUR INFORMATION

INFORMATION STEVE BANNON MADE A STEVE BANNON MADE A RECOMMENDATION THAT I DIDN’T RECOMMENDATION THAT I DIDN’T THINK WAS A BAD ONE, WHICH WAS THINK WAS A BAD ONE, WHICH WAS SHOULD OUR INFO AT LEAST BE IN A SHOULD OUR INFO AT LEAST BE IN A PUBLIC TRUST OF SOME SORT, THAT PUBLIC TRUST OF SOME SORT, THAT THEY CAN ACCESS ALL THE TIME AND THEY CAN ACCESS ALL THE TIME AND I GET THAT I GET THAT I BUY WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT I BUY WHAT HE’S TALKING ABOUT THERE THERE

AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO FIGURE AT SOME POINT WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO REGULATE THE OUT HOW TO REGULATE THE ALGORITHMS SO WE KNOW IF THEY’RE ALGORITHMS SO WE KNOW IF THEY’RE BEING ABUSED BEING ABUSED >> THAT’S THE PROBLEM, YOU CAN’T >> THAT’S THE PROBLEM, YOU CAN’T DO THAT DO THAT THEN MAKE GOOGLE AN ENTITY OF THEN MAKE GOOGLE AN ENTITY OF THE GOVERNMENT? THE GOVERNMENT? IT’S CALLED RUSSIA, THE RUSSIAN IT’S CALLED RUSSIA, THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT

GOVERNMENT >> HOW DO WE REGULATE AN >> HOW DO WE REGULATE AN ALGORITHM? ALGORITHM? >> WE DON’T >> WE DON’T >> WHY? >> WHY? >> BECAUSE THEY’RE BIG COMPANIES >> BECAUSE THEY’RE BIG COMPANIES AND THEY’RE THE ONE IN CHARGE AND THEY’RE THE ONE IN CHARGE JUST LIKE CBS USED TO BE IN JUST LIKE CBS USED TO BE IN CHARGE OF THE AIR WAVES CHARGE OF THE AIR WAVES

>> BUT IF GOOGLE WRITES AN >> BUT IF GOOGLE WRITES AN ALGORITHM THAT SOMEHOW ALGORITHM THAT SOMEHOW DIRECTS — LET ME DO A BETTER DIRECTS — LET ME DO A BETTER ONE ONE LET’S SAY ONE OF THE — LET’S SAY ONE OF THE — >> FACEBOOK >> FACEBOOK >> NO, MONSTER

COM >> NO, MONSTERCOM LIKE AN EMPLOYMENT SITE AND LIKE AN EMPLOYMENT SITE AND THEIR ALGORITHM SEEMS TO ALWAYS THEIR ALGORITHM SEEMS TO ALWAYS LEAVE OUT PEOPLE OF COLOR LEAVE OUT PEOPLE OF COLOR

>> RIGHT, THAT’S A DIFFERENT >> RIGHT, THAT’S A DIFFERENT ISSUE ISSUE >> THAT’S MY POINT >> THAT’S MY POINT HOW DO YOU — THEY COULD SAY, HOW DO YOU — THEY COULD SAY, OH, WE JUST WROTE AN ALGORITHM, OH, WE JUST WROTE AN ALGORITHM, WE DIDN’T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO WE DIDN’T KNOW IT WAS GOING TO DO THAT

DO THAT >> WELL, THE PROBLEM IS WHO’S >> WELL, THE PROBLEM IS WHO’S MAKING THESE THINGS MAKING THESE THINGS THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS BEING THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS BEING DISCUSSED, LIKE AI

DISCUSSED, LIKE AI THERE’S AN OLD EXPRESSION, CRAP THERE’S AN OLD EXPRESSION, CRAP IN, CRAP OUT IN, CRAP OUT SO IF CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE THE SO IF CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE THE ONLY ONES DESIGNING THAT, THAT’S ONLY ONES DESIGNING THAT, THAT’S WHAT HAPPENS

WHAT HAPPENS BUT THAT STILL DOESN’T MEAN YOU BUT THAT STILL DOESN’T MEAN YOU SHOULD HAVE A GOVERNMENT ENTITY SHOULD HAVE A GOVERNMENT ENTITY REGULATING ANY OF THAT REGULATING ANY OF THAT >> LET ME GO TO A CONSUMER >> LET ME GO TO A CONSUMER THING THING

I WANT TO KNOW THAT I AM BEING I WANT TO KNOW THAT I AM BEING TREATED AS A CONSUMER EQUALLY IN TREATED AS A CONSUMER EQUALLY IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AS I AM IN THE STATE OF TEXAS AS I AM IN THE STATE OF NORTH DAKOTA THE STATE OF NORTH DAKOTA IF AN AMAZON ALGORITHM DECIDES, IF AN AMAZON ALGORITHM DECIDES, BOY, IN TEXAS YOU HAVE MORE BOY, IN TEXAS YOU HAVE MORE MONEY AND CAN AFFORD TO PAY THIS MONEY AND CAN AFFORD TO PAY THIS BECAUSE I KNOW THIS BY WHERE YOU BECAUSE I KNOW THIS BY WHERE YOU LIVE AND ALL THIS STUFF, BOY, LIVE AND ALL THIS STUFF, BOY, I’M GETTING — THAT’S NOT FAIR I’M GETTING — THAT’S NOT FAIR AS A CONSUMER AS A CONSUMER >> THAT’S CALLED MARKETING AND >> THAT’S CALLED MARKETING AND RETAIL FOR THE PAST 100 YEARS

RETAIL FOR THE PAST 100 YEARS >> I GET IT, BUT ON THE OTHER >> I GET IT, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND IF IT’S UNFAIR PRACTICES HAND IF IT’S UNFAIR PRACTICES >> IS IT? >> IS IT? >> WELL, HERE’S THE THING, >> WELL, HERE’S THE THING, PRIVACY ISSUES, I THINK THERE PRIVACY ISSUES, I THINK THERE WILL BE A PRIVACY BILL, WILL BE A PRIVACY BILL, ESPECIALLY IF THE DEMOCRATS COME ESPECIALLY IF THE DEMOCRATS COME INTO POWER INTO POWER

THERE’S BEEN ONE IN CALIFORNIA THERE’S BEEN ONE IN CALIFORNIA THAT’S BEEN SOMEWHAT THAT’S BEEN SOMEWHAT CONTROVERSIAL CONTROVERSIAL BUT THERE WILL BE A NATIONAL BUT THERE WILL BE A NATIONAL PRIVACY BILL PRIVACY BILL >> WILL IT LOOK LIKE EUROPE? >> WILL IT LOOK LIKE EUROPE? >> I DON’T KNOW

>> I DON’T KNOW PROBABLY NOT PROBABLY NOT I DON’T THINK US

REGULATORS I DON’T THINK US REGULATORS HAVE EVER BEEN AS STRONG AS THE HAVE EVER BEEN AS STRONG AS THE ONES IN EUROPE ONES IN EUROPE BUT THERE’S INTERNATIONAL ISSUES BUT THERE’S INTERNATIONAL ISSUES BECAUSE THE EUROPEANS ARE DOING BECAUSE THE EUROPEANS ARE DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THE CHINESE SOMETHING DIFFERENT, THE CHINESE WILL DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT

WILL DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT EVERYONE AROUND THE WORLD IN A EVERYONE AROUND THE WORLD IN A GLOBAL SOCIETY WILL DO SOMETHING GLOBAL SOCIETY WILL DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT DIFFERENT >> WHAT’S NEXT WEEK GOING TO >> WHAT’S NEXT WEEK GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR TWITTER AN LOOK LIKE FOR TWITTER AN FACEBOOK? FACEBOOK? >> I DON’T KNOW >> I DON’T KNOW

IT DEPENDS WHO SHOWS UP IT DEPENDS WHO SHOWS UP IF WE GET JACK DORSEY AND SHERYL IF WE GET JACK DORSEY AND SHERYL SANDBERG, I THINK THEY’RE GOING SANDBERG, I THINK THEY’RE GOING TO QUIZ THEM TO QUIZ THEM I HOPE THEY DON’T QUIZ THEM ON I HOPE THEY DON’T QUIZ THEM ON WHETHER CONSERVATIVES CAN SPEAK WHETHER CONSERVATIVES CAN SPEAK UP, THEY SHOULD TALK ABOUT UP, THEY SHOULD TALK ABOUT ISSUES OF THE MEDDLING IN THE ISSUES OF THE MEDDLING IN THE ELECTIONS, THEY SHOULD TALK ELECTIONS, THEY SHOULD TALK ABOUT PRIVACY, THEY SHOULD TALK ABOUT PRIVACY, THEY SHOULD TALK ABOUT HOW DID THEIR PLATFORMS ABOUT HOW DID THEIR PLATFORMS GET HIJACKED BY THE RUSSIAN GET HIJACKED BY THE RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT

GOVERNMENT THESE ARE CRITICAL ISSUES, NOT THESE ARE CRITICAL ISSUES, NOT WHETHER DONALD TRUMP IS LOUD WHETHER DONALD TRUMP IS LOUD ENOUGH ON THE INTERNET, WHICH I ENOUGH ON THE INTERNET, WHICH I THINK HE IS THINK HE IS I FEEL HE HAS PLENTY OF VOICE I FEEL HE HAS PLENTY OF VOICE

>> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THE >> I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THE INTERNET HAS BEEN GOOD TO DONALD INTERNET HAS BEEN GOOD TO DONALD TRUMP TRUMP >> DONALD TRUMP SHOULD SEND TECH >> DONALD TRUMP SHOULD SEND TECH A GOLD EMBOSSED THANK YOU NOTE A GOLD EMBOSSED THANK YOU NOTE FOR THE THINGS THAT IT HAS DONE, FOR THE THINGS THAT IT HAS DONE, GIVING HIM TOOLS AND ALL KINDS GIVING HIM TOOLS AND ALL KINDS OF WAYS TO GET IN OFFICE OF WAYS TO GET IN OFFICE >> SO I GUESS — YOU WANT ME TO >> SO I GUESS — YOU WANT ME TO SAY TO REGULATE — SAY TO REGULATE — >> NO, NO, NO

>> NO, NO, NO IS THE STROEINDUSTRY READY TO CO IS THE STROEINDUSTRY READY TO CO AND SAY WE KNOW WE’VE GOTTEN AND SAY WE KNOW WE’VE GOTTEN THIS BIG AND WE NEED HELP THIS BIG AND WE NEED HELP FIGURING X OUT FIGURING X OUT >> RIGHT >> RIGHT

>> ARE THEY READY TO DO THAT >> ARE THEY READY TO DO THAT WITH GOVERNMENT? WITH GOVERNMENT? >> INK AUTO THEY HAVE TO ENGAGE >> INK AUTO THEY HAVE TO ENGAGE MORE WITH GOVERNMENT BUT AS YOU MORE WITH GOVERNMENT BUT AS YOU SAW WITH THE ZUCKERBERG SAW WITH THE ZUCKERBERG HEARINGS, THE POLITICIANS ARE HEARINGS, THE POLITICIANS ARE CLUELESS ABOUT TECHNOLOGY CLUELESS ABOUT TECHNOLOGY >> IT’S EMBARRASSING >> IT’S EMBARRASSING >> IT IS EMBARRASSING

>> IT IS EMBARRASSING THEY SAID MARK DID REALLY WELL, THEY SAID MARK DID REALLY WELL, WELL, IT’S A REALLY LOW BAR WELL, IT’S A REALLY LOW BAR >> I WOULD LOVE MR ZUCKERBERG >> I WOULD LOVE MR

ZUCKERBERG TO COME HERE TO COME HERE >> I WILL ASK HIM >> I WILL ASK HIM >> THEY HAVEN’T

>> THEY HAVEN’T I WOULD LOVE TO BE QUIZZED BY I WOULD LOVE TO BE QUIZZED BY SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS OF SOME OF THOSE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TOO CONGRESS TOO >> I WOULD LIKE MEMBERS OF >> I WOULD LIKE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS WHO KNOW SOMETHING CONGRESS WHO KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT TECHNOLOGY TO DO THE ABOUT TECHNOLOGY TO DO THE QUIZZING QUIZZING

>> I THINK IT’S TIME TO LET >> I THINK IT’S TIME TO LET THEIR STAFFERS DO THE QUIZZING THEIR STAFFERS DO THE QUIZZING DO YOU EXPECT ANY SORT OF — I DO YOU EXPECT ANY SORT OF — I THINK DONALD TRUMP JR SAID THINK DONALD TRUMP JR SAID WE’LL HAVE A CONSERVATIVE WE’LL HAVE A CONSERVATIVE ALTERNATIVE

ALTERNATIVE IS THAT PLAUSIBLE? IS THAT PLAUSIBLE? >> SURE, GO AHEAD >> SURE, GO AHEAD >> IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE >> IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE THAT COULD DO IT? THAT COULD DO IT? >> THERE WAS RUMORS OF PETER >> THERE WAS RUMORS OF PETER THIEL AND STEVE BANNON GETTING THIEL AND STEVE BANNON GETTING TOGETHER AND CREATING THEIR OWN TOGETHER AND CREATING THEIR OWN

I’M SURE THERE WILL BE A DIGITAL I’M SURE THERE WILL BE A DIGITAL ELEMENT TO IT IF THEY DO IT ELEMENT TO IT IF THEY DO IT FOX NEWS HAS DIGITAL ELEMENTS FOX NEWS HAS DIGITAL ELEMENTS ARE YOU KIDDING? ARE YOU KIDDING? THERE’S SO MANY CONSERVATIVE THERE’S SO MANY CONSERVATIVE PUBLICATIONS ON THE INTERNET PUBLICATIONS ON THE INTERNET NOW

NOW BREITBART, ALL THE OTHERS BREITBART, ALL THE OTHERS THE INTERNET HAS BEEN VERY, VERY THE INTERNET HAS BEEN VERY, VERY GOOD TO THEM GOOD TO THEM

SO I DON’T KNOW IF THEY SHOULD

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